MX Admin's Zoom Meeting Wed. Feb 28, 2024 0:05 - MX Admin All right, we're being recorded. 0:09 - Multiple Speakers Got it. Okay. 0:12 - MX Admin How you doing, sir? I'm good. How are you? Good. I'm Jeff. Hi, Jeff. 0:17 - Michael Santiago I'm Michael. 0:18 - MX Admin Yeah, the current senior minister here. Here comes Mr. Walker. 0:28 - Unidentified Speaker And looks like Steve is on mute. Hello? 0:39 - Michael Santiago Hey, Steve, you still there? Yeah, there we go. 0:42 - MX Admin Hey, Michael, Jeff, hello there. It's nice to meet you. 0:47 - Stephen Walker Likewise, thank you for taking time to meet with us today. Yeah, of course. Thank you guys for being willing to set this up. 0:55 - Michael Santiago I'm excited to get to know you guys a little better. Good, good, good. 0:59 - Multiple Speakers Well, we are too. We're just really kind of jumping into the process here. 1:05 - MX Admin what we're calling our soft search, meaning people that know people kind of thing, as opposed to, you know, putting an ad in the Christian Chronicle and kind of going that route. So this is the you're kind of on the front end. 1:19 - Michael Santiago OK, very much so. 1:24 - Stephen Walker A guinea pig, okay. 1:27 - Multiple Speakers In a good sort of way. 1:33 - MX Admin You actually, you're kicking off the whole process for this morning, Michael, and this afternoon. 1:38 - Stephen Walker And we sent an email to the other leadership team and just asked them to be prayerful about our time together. Us reminding them that we were going to be meeting with you this afternoon. And so, you know, we'll just see where God's leading. Absolutely. 1:55 - Michael Santiago Absolutely. And I've been, I've been prayerful both in my own right, but also on behalf of you guys, that you guys find a minister that, that fits McKnight Crossing well, and that, that glorifies God and their work with you guys. So I love that. 2:07 - MX Admin Thank you. 2:09 - Michael Santiago Appreciate that. So. 2:14 - Stephen Walker So Steve's going to join us a little bit. 2:17 - MX Admin He had a counseling appointment, I think, until until one. He was hoping that he was going to be able to get out of it a few minutes early, but maybe not. So I think he'll be coming in here shortly. So, Michael, we don't want to hold you up. 2:31 - Stephen Walker How much time do you have? 2:33 - Michael Santiago I have the whole hour blocked off just for this. So really, it could take the whole hour or to be honest, I can move my two o'clock thing as well. I don't know. We're not going to do that. 2:44 - Stephen Walker We're going to honor your schedule. 2:46 - Multiple Speakers We'll definitely honor that. And yeah, maybe not even go an hour. 2:50 - MX Admin We've got a list of list of questions that we created for this first round and nothing too challenging, I hope. We'll just kind of rotate through those. And it's more of a, as I put in the original Zoom, a get to know kind of conversation. 3:08 - Unidentified Speaker Yeah. 3:09 - Michael Santiago Sounds good to me. Sounds good to me. So give you a sense of the process. 3:12 - Stephen Walker We'll talk about that until Steve get on the phone. So Jeff, Steve and myself, we're kind of on the front end of the search and we're the first group to get to meet the candidates that are applying for the position. And then we'll take some time to get to know you, give you an opportunity to get to know us and maybe ask questions about McKnight. And then from there, we'll see if there's another step where we actually have another maybe zoom and might meet someone else other than the three of us in that zoom process and and then we'll you know we're kind of we got a process in place but we also have left room to You know, to maybe deviate a little bit from that process it's kind of based on the candidate and, and what needs to happen and so. 4:05 - Stephen Walker So beyond that we have some thoughts on what we would like to do, but we're also want to be flex when I'd be too rigid in this process and making sure because we. When you introduce rigid processes, you limit the spirit's ability to move. And so we want to make sure that we're not doing that, right? So that kind of gives you a sense that, you know, what to expect next at the very least. And so we'll try to keep in tune to what to expect next, you know, as we go through this. That much we can provide for you, what the next step. 4:39 - Michael Santiago Yeah, that sounds great. Thank you. 4:42 - MX Admin And my understanding, Michael, is that for you as well, I mean, that you're pretty happy in your role that you're in. And so this is a little bit out of, I don't know if it's out of the blue, but it's not something that you've been actively pursuing necessarily. 4:59 - Michael Santiago At the very least, I think we could say it's a very new pursuit of mine. I, I've been a youth minister for about to complete my fourth year, so, so I will have been a youth minister for four years in June. But, hi Steve. I've been, I've been just And we can talk more about this later on if you'd like, but I've been feeling what I only know to call a calling from God to pursue preaching and to see what paths are down that road, even though obviously I haven't done full-time pulpit ministry as a senior minister. 5:41 - Multiple Speakers But yeah, and we can talk more about that in due time. 5:43 - Michael Santiago But yeah, it is a newish endeavor for me. 5:46 - Unidentified Speaker Gotcha. 5:48 - MX Admin And I certainly like what you're kind of indicating there as well just in terms of calling because I think that is that's vital to what we're doing is that I think you can have the competencies. But if the calling is not there, the misfit will show itself in due time, maybe short time, maybe long time. But I think that calling piece is pretty important. And a calling isn't necessarily something that's teachable. 6:16 - Michael Santiago While skills and competence can be learned, the calling is vital, kind of what you're saying. Yeah. 6:23 - MX Admin Well, we'll start from the top a little bit, just in terms of our screening questions and kind of go through. I don't know. 6:32 - Unidentified Speaker I'll take the first one. 6:33 - MX Admin I think I'd indicated for Steve Walker maybe to take the second one. We'll just kind of go through it. And again, we don't even have to necessarily, guys, follow these rigidly. We'll let the spirit move as is needed, what seems kind of conversational there. But all that to say is that, It shouldn't be too daunting or too ominous. Some of them, they're just more or less kind of the get to know kind of questions. But the first one, Michael, just kind of jumping in there and maybe a little awkward as a starting point, but what would you say in terms of your work history and career to this point, you know, what are the things that you're most proud of 7:15 - Michael Santiago Yeah, that's a good question. I don't know if you, I would count this an internship that I did in the summer when I was in undergrad at Harding. I worked with an inner city church named River City Church in North Little Rock, Arkansas. And to minister in that setting was no small task. 7:39 - MX Admin To learn how to be an effective minister in that setting was no small task. 7:44 - Michael Santiago And I was able to adapt and to grow into that position. And then from there, I was able to come to this more affluent church that isn't as urban. And I was able to, what I think, flourish here as well. So I think that that shows Honestly, most of all, just the ways that God has blessed me in my life with a wide range of experiences where I could relate to the youth in an urban setting and in an impoverished area of Little Rock, while also relating to and ministering to the much more affluent teens and even adults at this church here. 8:25 - Michael Santiago So I think that that's one of them. And once again, I think it's nothing more than God working in my life. If you guys want to hear like, my story is rather complex. And looking back, it's just very obvious the ways that God has worked in my life to bring me to this point that I'm at now. And then I guess another one is, is the ability that I've had, the gift that, once again, God has given me to find mentors in every season of my life. It's kind of a weird thing to quantify. I don't know if it's one of my greatest accomplishments, but at River City, at the inner city church, I was able to find mentors that I still talk to to this day and seek wisdom from At Harding, an undergrad, I was able to make relationships with professors that I still contact and seek wisdom from And here in Abilene, I have no shortage of mentors that God has blessed me with. 9:25 - Steve Awtrey And I think that that's a testament to my longevity in ministry, if that makes sense. 9:32 - Michael Santiago That I'm not just going to be doing ministry for four years as a youth minister, and then go work some other job. I think that I see this completely as a calling to ministry, more than an occupation to ministry. 9:49 - Steve Awtrey I don't know. 9:51 - Michael Santiago That's all I really got. 9:52 - MX Admin Well, those are both very intriguing components of your story. And it says a lot about you, just in terms of, it'd be fun to just explore those in a lot more detail. 10:07 - Multiple Speakers But maybe for the sake of time, we'll kind of move on from there, unless you guys want to ask a clarifying question. I do. 10:14 - MX Admin Yeah, I do. 10:16 - Multiple Speakers So MX, I think you spent two summers North Arkansas, correct? 10:21 - Michael Santiago Yes. You went there, you know, your second and third summer. 10:25 - Stephen Walker And so, you, when you were describing your experience just a few minutes ago, you use the phrase out. If you can maybe just elaborate a little bit on this, not too much. You're saying it was no small task to be able to, you know, to work with the group. Can you kind of maybe elaborate a little bit on that, what you meant by that? Was it- Yeah, yeah. 10:48 - Multiple Speakers So specifically with this group at River City Church, the youth group is used to interns coming and going. 10:55 - Michael Santiago And whenever an intern comes, they come across as abrasive as possible to kind of test the intern, to push the intern to the limits. 11:05 - Stephen Walker And they say mean things. They talk in funny ways around you. 11:10 - Multiple Speakers And they test you to see if your heart's really there to care for you. And I had to put my head down and push through that. 11:17 - Michael Santiago And it was really gratifying on the other end to be able to push through their rigid walls of resistance and get to their heart and minister to their heart. And that's kind of what I meant. Okay. 11:33 - Stephen Walker Well, thank you. That's a great response. Thanks a lot. 11:36 - Steve Awtrey Well, and you also said, you know, just about your story, you said we could get into that later if you want to tell us some about your story now. 11:44 - Unidentified Speaker Okay, I'll make it quick. 11:47 - Multiple Speakers So I'm full Puerto Rican. My dad moved to the States from Puerto Rico. He moved to Chicago. That's where I was born. 11:56 - Michael Santiago And he has been a Spanish preacher most of my life. At this point, he's a missionary. He doesn't work for a church. He goes to Honduras, he goes to Mexico, he goes to Puerto Rico, he goes to the Dominican, doing mission work in the Latin American churches of Christ. 12:12 - Multiple Speakers And I grew up, yeah, I grew up going to church. 12:16 - Michael Santiago Although I never learned Spanish, I was sitting on the, I'm learning now. It was one of my goals. 12:23 - Stephen Walker And I've made a lot of progress for the record. 12:27 - Michael Santiago Yeah, my family moved from Chicago to Tampa, Florida, which is a common move just from people coming from the Rust Belt going to Florida. And they moved in large part because my brothers were involved in gangs. I'm the youngest of eight siblings, including me. And I have five brothers. And they, all but one, were a part of, I mean, I'm one of the five boys, sorry. All but one of them. So three of my brothers were a part of gangs in Chicago. And they left that for hope for a better future for me and for my brother that's a little older than me and his name is Josh. 13:03 - Michael Santiago And we moved to Tampa, Florida. And I always say it like this. And it might sound bad. I wasn't raised in the streets or by the streets, but I was raised by people who were raised in that setting in that context. And it gave me a really unique look on the world to be able to have brothers that struggled with all the bad things that come along with that. Marijuana use, alcoholism, violence with guns, with assaults, just assaulting people, stuff like that. To have that be a part of my life and a part of my story was something that I really had to tap into when ministering in a more urban setting. 13:45 - Michael Santiago And it allowed me to have compassion and a diverse kind of arsenal to draw from And then from there, this is where it gets, I don't know. Anyways, so from there, and in or in we moved from Tampa, Florida, to a tiny city south of Branson, Missouri, named Harrison, Arkansas. I'm sure you guys have heard maybe something about it. It's known to be a racist city. And what I experienced there was kind of exactly along with the stereotype. I was the only brown person in my high school. I was called a lot of names. 14:26 - Michael Santiago We moved to Harrison to escape family drama. There's weird dynamics. My dad, me and my sister are the only full siblings. That I have. It's just, she's my only full sibling. So my dad was a stepfather to my brothers that were in gangs and there was constant fights in the household. My parents divorced for a time in Florida, got back together, all that stuff. But we moved to Harrison where it was just me and my dad and my mom and my sister. And there I experienced I call it bullying because racism is such a trigger word nowadays that I don't love, but I experienced bullying on the basis of my race. 15:00 - Michael Santiago And that gave me a very different perspective on the world, especially coming from a big city like Tampa, Florida, in a very diverse place like Florida. So then from there, this is my calling to be a youth minister. My youth minister saw something in me that I didn't see in myself. And I wanted to be that same light for other kids struggling. Because to be in 7th through 12th grade is no fun. I'm sure you guys remember. It's just not fun. And I wanted to be that. And I still want to be that. 15:30 - Michael Santiago And I try to do that every single day. And then I went to Harding to do that. And then I got the job at UCC in Abilene. Now I'm talking to you guys. 15:42 - Multiple Speakers It's a really quick version. 15:46 - Michael Santiago That's a very powerful story, Michael. 15:49 - Stephen Walker It really is. And I can see how it's kind of shaped you. In terms of your personality and your heart. I appreciate that. Now, this next question is probably a little unfair to ask, so we can maybe work through it a little bit because it's going to kind of ask about your preaching experience. I know you have a whole lot of preaching experience, but if you would share with us what preaching experience and teaching experience that you do have, and maybe how you prepare for preaching and teaching a lesson. 16:25 - Unidentified Speaker Yeah. No, I don't think it's an unfair question at all. 16:29 - Michael Santiago So I would go on mission trips with my dad to Monterrey, Mexico. And there I was able to preach twice to the church. This was while I was a senior in high school. I was able to preach twice to the church. I would preach in English. My dad would translate for me. And that was the first time that I really preached. And then from there, I preached with River City Church. I would preach rather often, maybe five times over the course of two summers, but they're only week summers. So that's kind of a good significant time of the Sundays that I'm there. 17:05 - Michael Santiago And then I've been able to preach both in the bilingual, our church has an English side and a bilingual side. I don't know why it's not all bilingual or why it's not Spanish and English. Anyways, I've been able to preach on the bilingual side probably five times since I've been here in the last four years. And I've preached on the English side, I think three times since I've been here. So yeah, all in all not that much experience, and none of them have been consecutive weeks, to be honest. 17:33 - Michael Santiago And I think that's worth mentioning because that is one of the things, as I'm sure Jeff can can attest to about preaching that's one of the many hard things. As a result, whenever I started to feel this desire to preach and what I think is a calling to preach, I went and I talked to my preacher, the English side preacher at our church. 17:52 - Stephen Walker I said, how can I better prepare? This was back in November. 17:55 - Michael Santiago He encouraged me to spend time each week writing a homily, writing a short message, just to get that rigorous motion of writing each week down. And to be honest with you guys, I haven't hit it every week. I haven't. I probably have maybe to that I've written out that I think are good. But I'm getting in the motion of writing something each week. Granted, it's only to 600 words. It's not all that much. It's probably not enough to preach for minutes. But it's getting me in the motion of preaching. 18:33 - Michael Santiago And on top of that, I've been seeking more opportunities to preach, whether it's in the bilingual or the English at our church here, or I just recently got asked. And I think once again, this is this is God working in my life. I just recently got asked by my home church in Arkansas and Harrison to speak on a Sunday morning in the beginning of April to the youth and the families that are having a retreat. And I'm giving kind of the Sunday worship. So I think that that's worth mentioning as well. 19:01 - Michael Santiago Yeah, although I haven't done it, the fact that they saw me as somebody willing or that they saw as worthy to come and speak, I think. Yeah, that's a great confirmation right there. 19:11 - Multiple Speakers Something is alive in your spirit. 19:14 - MX Admin It sounds like, Michael, that the preaching and teaching animates you in a way that maybe some other things do not. I mean, would that work? 19:25 - Michael Santiago No, I think so. I think so. And as far as the teaching, I didn't even mention that. I've been teaching in the youth group class, which is a youth group of about kids. It fluctuates in the time of year, but about kids 40 for the past four years teaching every Sunday. I've gone through books. I've gone through series on more topical things. I've gone based off of the lectionary for a good six months, which I thought was really powerful. 19:53 - Steve Awtrey So within my teaching, there's been a pretty wide range as well. 19:56 - Michael Santiago It's not just all topical. It's not all just textual. Some of it is indicative preaching. Some of it's more expository. Some of it's teaching in various different ways. 20:07 - Unidentified Speaker Yeah. 20:08 - Steve Awtrey Thanks, Michael. Appreciate that. 20:09 - Stephen Walker Yeah. 20:11 - Steve Awtrey You know, one thing, you probably had it hard to develop your philosophy of ministry, and it's probably changed, evolved some just since you were in school, and it continues to change. But what would you say are some of your important elements of your philosophy of ministry today? 20:29 - Michael Santiago Yeah, I think I think there's a couple of aspects. I think, honestly, I think it takes looking like Jesus, seeing what Jesus does, doing what Jesus does, and just trying to be like Jesus in our daily lives. I'll also say that as far as the philosophy goes, I think it's really important to have certain scriptures, at least in my youth ministry right now, I'm talking historically, my youth ministry now, I think it's been really important for me to have certain scriptures that I keep going back to. 21:01 - Michael Santiago Philippians through is one of those. This whole psalm of Jesus and his coming down to the earth to die for our sins, I think is really important. And something that I talk about with these kids a lot, like the big overarching philosophy is that Their purpose, their identity, and their worth are written in God. That all of those things are what we seek so long and so hard to find answers for in the world, and how that will never be answered in the world, at least not to a satiable level, not to a satisfying level. 21:37 - Michael Santiago But all of those things are written in our relationship with God. And it's been proven through the Bible. It's been proven through Christians in the past. And that's one of the things that I hit on most with these kids that I think is really important for really the younger generation to hear. My age and younger, I think when I look around, I see people who are struggling with their purpose, with their identity and with their worth. And I think The hard work is already written for me, for us as ministers, because God has already given us all of that. 22:07 - Michael Santiago But to continually hit on that with these kids is really important to me. And as a preacher, I don't see that being all that different. I think that the church body needs to hear that as well. Of course, there's multiple aspects that go into that, but that's just kind of what my ministry has been about these last four years. Okay, good. 22:29 - Steve Awtrey Good. Thank you. Appreciate that. Yeah. 22:33 - Unidentified Speaker Michael, the way the question is worded here is why do you want to leave your current position? 22:39 - MX Admin But maybe a little bit more way to finesse that would be, are there some things that you're looking to do that your current position doesn't provide? 22:49 - Unidentified Speaker Yeah. 22:50 - Michael Santiago That's a really good question. The first answer is, once again, what I feel to be a calling, what I feel to be gifts that I have that seem to be reaffirmed by prayer, by scripture reading, and by people I trust in my life. And I feel the desire to proclaim God's word. As far as what I can't do here, I've always, so, and I'll try to make this fast. I hope I'm not too long-winded. But so- You're doing fine. Okay, before in high school, like I said, I went on mission trips to Mexico with my dad. I went on mission trips to Honduras. 23:29 - Michael Santiago I went on mission trips to a different city in Mexico, as well as Monterey. But I was never, I always wanted to do mission work abroad, internationally, outside of the US. And whenever I got to college, I kind of realized, wait a second, Latin America is way more Christian, but also way more receptive to God's word than the U.S. Is. And if you look at Africa, another place where missionaries seem to be sent all the time, They're blowing up in their numbers. Their faith is great there. 24:04 - Michael Santiago If you look at Asia, another place that missionaries talk about a lot, that place is also blowing up with God's Word and with God's Spirit, with God. So whenever I was in college, I found myself thinking, and I was like, maybe where the mission field really is, is the U.S. Or Europe. And then I got this internship at River City. And I thought to myself about US, I mean, North America, Canada as well. But then I got this internship with River City. And I saw that a lot of my history, a lot of what I saw as baggage in my life, what I saw as me suffering earlier in my life was used for good. 24:41 - Michael Santiago And then that kind of got me thinking, okay, maybe domestic missions is what I should pursue, and specifically domestic inner city missions, which I know McKnight Crossing isn't necessarily an inner city church, but I was thinking about domestic missions, and I was thinking about what it looks like to serve in a more urban setting. Well, as as you guys probably know, Jeff, as you know, as a minister, it's kind of hard to get a first job in ministry. So I didn't really have the have the chance to be picky leaving undergrad with my job. 25:12 - Michael Santiago And it seemed like a very good fit. And it is a very good fit to work here at UCC. But whenever I think about this context, it's lacking the very things that made me so passionate about ministry in the first place. Obviously souls, and obviously God makes me passionate about ministry, but it's using my gift and my history to connect with and serve people that are hurting. So I, for example, I went to an urban ministry conference just this last weekend in Fort Worth at Southside Church of Christ, because I desperately want to keep those skills sharpened. 25:46 - Michael Santiago I desperately want to continue to keep myself connected and with that perspective in my life so that I can go back to urban ministries. Soon-ish. So that's kind of what McKnight Crossings would come in. That's where they would come in, where you guys would come in. You guys would offer me an opportunity to preach, to proclaim God's word, but also to a setting that, quite frankly, isn't in the Bible Belt, that isn't as Nothing against McKnight, but ministry in St. Louis, ministry in the Midwest isn't as desirable as a youth ministry position across the street from ACU. 26:21 - MX Admin It's a very desirable position that pays you well, that treats you well. 26:24 - Michael Santiago It's a great job. Once again, I'm very grateful for it. But I can't help but feel a willingness to go. And then I talked to Mike Brown, and he told me about Steve Autry. 26:34 - Multiple Speakers And so that's what led me here. OK. 26:38 - MX Admin OK. Great answer. 26:40 - Stephen Walker Now, this next question is more of a perception question, because you really can't get in the head of people to really kind of work through this question. But it is, how would you best illustrate, I'm sorry, how would your former employers and co-workers describe you? 26:57 - Michael Santiago Yeah, so this is something that has come up a lot because I asked Stephen, I'm sure he communicated with you guys, for a level of confidence in this process, at least at this level, because I don't want to make it explicitly obvious that I'm seeking other opportunities. 27:11 - Stephen Walker So I will give you all of those references. 27:13 - Michael Santiago I really will one day if we go that far. But I think that specifically the children's minister, her name is Jennifer, and she's great. She's who I work closest with. As a youth minister, I think it's necessary to have a good youth and children's ministry connection and bridge between the two and all of that. And I think that she would describe me as somebody that's organized and that has a heart for God and a heart for ministry and a heart for these kids. And I think she always makes jokes that I read a lot because she doesn't like reading. 27:46 - Michael Santiago And I'll sit there with my office door open reading on a couch in my office. And she always like scoffs because she thinks it's funny. I don't know. So I think that she would say that I'm a reader, that somebody that is studious, I guess. As far as my preacher goes, he has helped me kind of feel confident in this calling and in telling me that he thinks that I have the gift of preaching. So I think that he would affirm this desire that I have to preach As far as the bilingual minister, me and him have had a lot of good conversations over meals. 28:21 - Michael Santiago And he's somebody that I look up to a lot. He's rather new here. He's just finished his first year working here. So our relationship isn't all that good or all that like as deep as the rest of them. But I think that he would say that I'm somebody that's energetic and passionate about what I do. And the campus minister here, he used to be the youth minister, and now he has three kids in the youth group, which is kind of crazy. So me and him, he's really busy. He just started a campus ministry, and he works on the other side of the office. 28:54 - Michael Santiago So unfortunately, we don't get to interact all that much, which is... Which is something that I'm looking for in a different church, maybe a different work environment, one that's less siloed off, if I could say. Something that I've learned to really value in a search for a job, for a ministry job. 29:14 - Stephen Walker So yeah, I'm sure he would have good things to say. 29:18 - Michael Santiago I just, I don't know what he would say. 29:20 - Multiple Speakers That's a good response, but you're one of your answers actually helped me to formulate one other question if I may. 29:28 - Stephen Walker So culturally, what were you, what do you, how do you, how would you describe your ideal culture you can feel like you can thrive in an environment where you feel like you can thrive? 29:38 - Michael Santiago In the work setting of the office of the church? 29:40 - Unidentified Speaker Yes. 29:42 - Stephen Walker I'm very relational. 29:43 - Michael Santiago I'm very much so somebody that I think boundaries are really important. In the morning when I'm reading and praying, I'll close my door. But as soon as I'm done, I open my door and I'm open to having people come by and talk. Me and Jennifer, the children's minister, recently campaigned and had this whole push for us to have weekly lunches as a staff because I think that that's really important. 30:05 - Unidentified Speaker As you guys probably know, it got really expensive with the cost of things. 30:09 - Michael Santiago So we don't do that as much anymore. We try to do it once a month. But me and Jennifer pushed for that because we are both relational by nature. And that's something that is common in a lot of preachers, being more introverted, being more to themselves. And that's something that my preacher here really embodies, which isn't a bad thing. There's definitely strengths in that as well. It makes him a very effective preacher. I think he's a phenomenal preacher. But I do think that he kind of, he changes the overall tone of the office. 30:41 - Michael Santiago Like at staff meetings, he's very quick to get back to his office to work. Not that I would be lazy and slothful to get back to my office to work, but it's just a slightly different approach, just being a more extroverted person than an introvert. 30:54 - Multiple Speakers And Jeff, I don't know if I was just describing you, and I'm sorry if I was. No, not at all. Not at all. 31:00 - Steve Awtrey So you would describe yourself as being extroverted, Yes, sir. 31:04 - Michael Santiago Very much so. Very much so. 31:05 - Steve Awtrey And working as a team is something that you value. 31:09 - Michael Santiago Yes. It sounds like, yeah. 31:10 - Multiple Speakers Yeah, because your church can have a slogan. Our church is growing upward, inward, and outward. But if our ministries aren't working together, I don't know how well that could be done. Because if we're not one cohesive leadership leading the church body, there's only so much growth that can happen. 31:28 - Steve Awtrey Once again, this church is very healthy. 31:29 - Michael Santiago This church is doing great. I'm not slandering the church I'm working for. I'm very happy. But that's an emphasis that I would change, especially if I was a senior minister, a lead minister, or a preacher, whatever you want to call it. 31:44 - Unidentified Speaker Yeah. 31:45 - Stephen Walker Thank you, Michael. Yeah. Good. 31:47 - Steve Awtrey What would best illustrate your leadership and people skills? 31:54 - Michael Santiago Yeah, so this feels like bragging. I don't know. So I just recently started to get this desire to lead a class for the parents of the youth group. This isn't something I've done before, because to be completely honest with you guys, which I'm going to be this entire time, I haven't really had the confidence to. I haven't had the confidence to lead a class for the parents. So I was talking to the youth committee, basically the deacon of youth ministry and a group of people I have around me to help me. 32:29 - Michael Santiago And I was given the idea of leading this class. And they told me something really, really impactful. And they were telling me that I have an ability to lead that is way more significant than I believe in myself. So I don't know if you want to call this a self-worth thing. I don't know if you want to call this just humility. I don't know what you want to call it. But I think that I am a humble leader. I think I'm a leader that doesn't lord that position over people. I think I'm somebody that is very quick to ask for advice, very quick to encourage. 33:07 - Michael Santiago This is something I do with the kids. The youth group a lot. If they ask me a question that I quite frankly don't know the answer to, because there's a lot of questions like that in the Bible that I don't know the answer to, I always make it a point to say to them, look, I don't know the answer right now, but if you'd like, I could go back to my office, I could read a couple books, I could get commentaries together, and we could talk about this, and I could send that to you. I did that with Really, one kid specifically, I did multiple times. 33:34 - Michael Santiago He's graduated since. But I did it just recently with a second kid. And it's been something that I think is the best way to lead, to lead with honesty and integrity, to tell people, no, I don't have everything figured out. No, no, I've never preached full time before. No, no, I don't. I don't know all of the finer things that are detailed in being a preacher because I've never done it. But I'm willing to learn. And I hope that you would be willing to learn alongside me. So I don't know. I hope that answers your question. 34:06 - Michael Santiago It's not much of an illustration, but I hope it answers your question. If you have any more, I'd be happy to answer any clarifying questions. Okay, great. 34:15 - MX Admin Michael, let me, I'm maybe somewhat related, tackling a little bit from a different angle, and maybe you could even think about the role that the current senior minister there is in, and as you think about his role, or maybe 34:34 - Multiple Speakers based on the job description we sent you. 34:37 - Michael Santiago What would you say are the strengths that you would be able to bring today? 34:43 - MX Admin And I know I can see your aspiration. I can see your passion. I can see your heart. I can see the direction you want to move into. Are there some areas that you would say, yeah, these are my real strengths for that role today based upon what I understand that senior minister role would do? Yeah, I think that's a really good question. 35:04 - Michael Santiago I think it's a really good question. So I think that I have I don't have the job description pulled up, so I couldn't tell you exactly what yours was. But based off of my current preacher, I think that I would be great at leading. We do small groups. I don't know if y'all function like this. My preacher leads a small group for his age people, and he's so he's not very far from my age, so we're in the same small group. 35:32 - Unidentified Speaker And it's very discussion-based. 35:34 - Michael Santiago And those classes, the times that I can join, since I'm the youth minister, I can't join all the time, but the times that I do join, it's very discussion-based. And I think that I would be very good at leading open discussions that lead us closer to God. I also think that although I haven't been preaching all that often, I think what I have to say, the ways that God can speak through me are of note, to say the least. I think my perspective based off of my age is a value. I think that where I am now, I spend a lot of time, like I said, Jennifer teases me for, I spend a lot of time studying. 36:11 - Michael Santiago I spend a lot of time praying and reading. And I think that I've, I think this is how God has been preparing me best for what is next. I've developed a rhythm in my life and honestly, a rule of life for my life that has led to me growing in wisdom, growing in understanding, growing in habits, growing in godly habits in my life. I think that from that, I'll be able to be somebody who is a calming presence, somebody who is a person of peace, somebody who is a relatable minister that that when I'm talking to you, I have something to relate to you on. 36:53 - Michael Santiago I think to be truthful, I think that's my greatest gift, is relating to people and being able to speak with people candidly. I also am somebody who isn't afraid to to shy away from difficult conversations. This is something that, as you guys can imagine, comes up a lot in youth group pornography, homosexuality, all of these things come up often. And I'm not somebody that shies away from having those discussions. And I'm not shy, I'm not somebody who shies away from saying, I don't know as well. 37:24 - Michael Santiago I also, I want to recognize I oftentimes understate how much I know about things. So I don't say I don't know to everything. I do know some things, and I have studied hard. And my degree from Harding did teach me a lot. And from there, I have grown a lot. But for the harder questions, I'm not afraid to say I don't know. As far as preaching goes, I'm not afraid to speak in the pulpit boldly. I'm not afraid to challenge our church to grow in ways that I see are blind areas, or that me and the other leadership or elders see are blind areas. 38:06 - Michael Santiago That's part of what I'm going to talk about with the parents about. So yeah. I hope that answers your question. That was a really good question. 38:16 - MX Admin Thank you. Yeah, good, good, good. Steve's got the harder one next. 38:19 - Multiple Speakers That's right. 38:21 - Stephen Walker Yeah, these are related, you know, it's more of a, you know, self-awareness question and you seem to have a good grasp on, you know, your self-awareness of kind of where you are, God is leading you. And I think this question probably will lend itself to that more thought process. And so As you think about your person, your persona, and your giftedness, a couple of things. So what do you see as some weaknesses? 38:54 - Unidentified Speaker And how did you identify those as weaknesses? 38:58 - Stephen Walker And how are you addressing those weaknesses? 39:04 - Michael Santiago Yeah. So before the current youth committee chair, which is just what we call deacons, before Laura, there was a guy named Lance. And Lance was somebody that was a dad in the youth group. And he's somebody that, quite frankly, I just didn't work well with. And I wasn't, I'm not proud to admit that. I don't love that. And we actually, he just sat in my office today and we talked for a while and it was really refreshing. And our relationship has really grown a lot. But he was somebody that I had a really hard time with. 39:35 - Michael Santiago He was somebody that I had a hard time loving, somebody that I had a hard time working alongside, and somebody that we clashed a lot. I think that that was a weakness because I got too over-consumed with our differences, with mine and his differences. Once again, I think one of my strengths is relating to people. So I think that I found myself really flustered when I can't relate to people. Whenever he is somebody who who's just so different from me. And because of that, we would clash. 40:04 - Michael Santiago We had differences of opinions, and he would be really forward with his opinions. And we wouldn't clash in ugly ways. It never got very bad. It would just be like, no, Lance, I genuinely disagree. And we're going to handle this differently. And at the end of the day, I'm the youth minister. So I guess that's how that would work. 40:22 - Stephen Walker So I think that that is a weakness. 40:24 - Michael Santiago I think whenever I look at my life outside of ministry as well, there are just one or two people that I find genuinely hard to love at times. And once again, I don't say this because I'm proud. I say this out of humility, out of a desire for God to work in that. And it's not just simply intransigent people who I can't get along with. It's like, I have a problem relating to and having relationships with people who are on the arrogant side. And I think that was a common denominator between the people in my life and with Lance. 41:01 - Michael Santiago And I think that that is a weakness and an immaturity of mine. I think that's an area that I need to grow and look past. I think another weakness of mine is honestly like, for a large part of my ministry, it was teaching on Sunday morning. I wasn't good at creating a lesson that hit a sixth grader that just entered the youth group and also hit a 12th grader that's about to leave the youth group. That was a very hard thing for me at first. And it's a weakness that I would still consider a weakness. 41:34 - Michael Santiago And I know that I'm saying that to you guys who are looking to hire a senior minister. But I'm being honest that that was and I think is in part a weakness of mine. But as a result of that, how I've been attacking that is by reading books, reading books on preaching, reading Timothy Keller's book on preaching, reading a textbook on preaching that my preacher gave me. I've been intentionally trying to spend time listening to speakers that I trust and love, like John Piper is one of them. 42:05 - Michael Santiago There's this guy named Robert Barron, who speaks, that I really like listening to. And from that, for the past really year, I've been growing a lot in that. And as well, kind of going back to my first point, I've been able to grow a lot in my wisdom of these disagreements that I have with people and letting that get bigger than it needs to be. 42:30 - Multiple Speakers I have another one if you'd like me to share. Also, to be completely honest with you guys, I've been praying a lot specifically because I think I care too much about what people think about me. And I know that that could be something so detrimental to a preacher. And it's something that I've been praying a lot about and I've been working on really strong for the last six or eight months. 42:53 - Michael Santiago And I think that I've seen progress in that. To make my care only to be unified with God and to make my will only to be unified with God's is something that I've been specifically praying really hard. But yeah, in my weaker moments, sometimes I let people's opinions of me, good or bad, affect me a little too much. And I think that that has to be said, once again, for the sake of transparency, because ministry is all about people. And that's an important thing. And it's something that I've worked really hard to come to a point where I feel confident enough to tell you guys because I feel like it's the most part behind me. 43:29 - Stephen Walker Yeah. 43:29 - Michael Santiago Anyways, probably a little. Thank you, Michael. 43:33 - MX Admin Really do. Yeah. Appreciate that. 43:35 - Steve Awtrey So given the job description that I sent to you, how would you describe your fit for that position? Yeah. 43:45 - Unidentified Speaker I, once again, I'm sorry, I don't have it pulled up. 43:50 - Michael Santiago But I'm sorry, I'm going to actually pull it up, if you don't mind. OK. 43:55 - Steve Awtrey Yeah, go right ahead. I should have pulled that up. 44:07 - Unidentified Speaker OK. 44:13 - Michael Santiago OK, so we'll just kind of go through it. So as far as proclaim the word of God, I think the word discipline is something that I've been working very diligently to create in my life. The idea of proclaiming the word from an overflowing of my own relationship with God and my own faith. It's something that I've worked really hard to develop and something that I'm at a really great spot in. This idea of constantly reading God's word or consuming literature about God's word has really allowed me to build an arsenal, kind of like what I talked about with those weekly homilies, to build an arsenal, to build a library of what I think are very theologically, biblically sound ideas that I can use to springboard me into preaching. 45:08 - Michael Santiago Also, as far as spending time wanting to grow more, I just started the Masters of Divinity program at ACU online. So I think that that will help catapult me further in not only my discipline, not only my understanding, but also in the rhythms that you have to create in your life to be a student of the word at a master's degree level. So as far as overall spiritual formation of the team, teaching classes as needed, I think that that's something really that I find a lot of passion in the idea of creating staff meetings, of contributing to elders meetings in a way that bring about spiritual formation, not just simply communicating for the sake of being on the same page, but for bringing about spiritual formation so that we are together growing towards God, so that we could in turn grow the church towards God. 46:04 - Michael Santiago So as far as providing leadership, I do think that I am a good leader. I think that if I look throughout my life, I've been a leader in most situations. And I think that I don't say that to boast, I say that to say that I think that it's something that I'm very familiar with and comfortable with. It's an aspect of this job that doesn't necessarily intimidate me, despite my lack of wisdom because of my age, because of my lack of experiences, because of the fact that I've been doing ministry a quarter of the time, less than that, as some of the preachers out there. 46:44 - Michael Santiago I think that casting vision for the community and outreach events is something that I find a lot of passion in, in pushing any church that I'm a part of to be a part of the community around it, to bring in the community around it, and to be a light to the community around it. This is something that me and Jennifer, the children's minister, are hoping to implement this summer. It was actually at Harding. It's an idea I got from Harding. It's called Pizza Ministries. We're going to work with a church, I mean, with a pizza place, a local pizza place near our church. 47:15 - Michael Santiago And we're going to buy pizzas, and we're going to go to a trailer park not too far from our church. And we're just going to simply pass out the pizzas, play with the kids, and have a devo afterwards. And that's something that it's those visions that I love spending time formulating and growing alongside the people on the ministry staff. As far as supervising the ministry and administrative staff, I think that I could be somebody that could easily be trusted to bring about cohesion in the group, to bring about spiritual direction, to coordinate and facilitate staff meetings, and to nurture the relationships and the needs there. 47:54 - Michael Santiago Something that I love to do in my current position, is regularly check in and get coffee with the ministers and even some of the elders, so long as their schedule allows it, so that I could continue to just be there for them, to not be somebody who just sits in my office and closes the door and contributes to the siloed off nature of our office, but instead to be somebody who who is constantly trying to check in and make sure everybody's doing okay. And from there also helping if there's anything I could do, whether it's prayer or anything. 48:33 - Michael Santiago Assistive technology initiatives is something that I think comes natural to me based off of my age. Again, provide spiritual and pastoral care is something that I am really excited to grow into. This is something that as far as making hospital visits, as far as visiting shut-ins, I haven't been able to do all that much. But I know that I would have the grace and I would have the tact necessary to be able to step into any of those situations and speak to their situation and pray with them and read scripture with them and spend time growing that relationship. 49:10 - Michael Santiago Being so relationally oriented, I find myself craving deeply to interact with the parents and the people who don't even have kids in the youth ministry at my church, to spend time talking with them. I recently just taught, I recently just taught like the, it was like the older, they call it the young at hearts, I don't know, it's like the older ladies class, they all have funny special names. I just recently taught it And it was so nice and reassuring to be able to go in there. And I was intimidated because what is a young minister like me going to say to older wise women in the faith? 49:47 - Michael Santiago I was able to go in there and to give a lesson that was received really well. And afterwards we were talking and it just felt so natural and it felt so casual and so easy. And I just think that that is exactly how my ministry would go with all different types of ages of people as well, because it's how it works here. And that's how it's worked with the parents. And I primarily am focused with the parents and the youth, but anytime I get to interact with other people, it goes really well. And I don't think that that's just by coincidence. 50:17 - Michael Santiago I think it's by gifts I may not know I have or ways that God has been working in my life. Anyways. That was a long answer. I'm sorry. That's good. 50:26 - MX Admin That was very good. 50:27 - Multiple Speakers That was a long list to cover. 50:29 - Steve Awtrey It really was. 50:31 - MX Admin And I suppose, Michael, and I'm not quite sure where we are here time-wise, but we've still got just a couple of minutes, maybe related again to the job description. And again, hearing your answer, I don't know if you'd have more insight on this or not. But are there some areas where you'd say, man, given what I see the role is, that that just doesn't necessarily fit me so well right now. 50:57 - Michael Santiago Yeah. As far as fit me so well, I mean, there's definitely some aspects that that scare me as far as just intimidating. But but as far as me to make sure that as far as fit me so well, Yeah, I mean, I think that a lot of this stuff I participate in rather often in my own context. I will say, and this is small, I don't have, I have Facebook, but I don't have like any social media. And to be honest, as a youth minister, I hate social media and I really like don't want any part of it. So that aspect, I don't think fits me well if I'm posting on social media. 51:47 - Unidentified Speaker That's not a part of the role. 51:50 - Multiple Speakers I just saw the word social media and oversee the communications. 51:55 - MX Admin But let me ask you a question like from this standpoint, maybe as it relates to this, some guys that are very gifted relationally aren't very good administratively. Would you categorize yourself or some guys that are really good academically tend to be more introverted and wouldn't be very strong missionally? 52:17 - Michael Santiago Yeah, you do seem to have a little bit of all of that. 52:20 - MX Admin So I'm trying to put you're not easy to pigeonhole in a way. 52:25 - Multiple Speakers No, I understand that. And I want you to know I'm trying to be as honest as possible. 52:28 - Michael Santiago I'm not. Yeah, no, you are. Thank you. 52:30 - Unidentified Speaker Yeah. 52:31 - Michael Santiago To be completely honest with you, I struggled academically in undergrad. I didn't graduate with the GPA I'm proud of To be honest with you, it was a it was nothing short of God's mercy that I got accepted into the master's degree. 52:46 - Stephen Walker I should not have been accepted. 52:48 - Michael Santiago Because to be honest, at that time, not only do I not retain things well, I'm also a slow reader. And I'm somebody that just didn't have the discipline in college. It never occurred to me just how different and rigorous college would be. Now, because of that, I've grown a lot and I can read, but I'm going to be completely honest with you guys. I just spent three weeks reading a book. It took me three weeks to read the book and I have ample time to read in my day because I'm a slow reader. I think academically, I do lack, but that's exactly why I've chosen to pursue this Master's of Divinity. 53:23 - Michael Santiago And that's exactly why I've chosen to spend my days reading diligently, even though it takes me a while. Granted, it was a harder book to read, but still, It takes me a while to understand and to comprehend these things. So yeah, I think I definitely do lack in the academic realm. I don't think that I'm dumb, but I think that I lack academically. Now, another thing, I consider myself to be organized. I actually developed this, I don't know if it's a good habit or a bad habit, but I've been logging in my Google calendar, like everything I do each hour of the day. 53:57 - Michael Santiago And I really did it so that I could look back at what I've accomplished that week and see if there's any areas I can grow more. 54:04 - Stephen Walker Well, now there's come a point where my days are pretty full. 54:07 - Michael Santiago My days are pretty action-packed, and I'm either reading, preparing a lesson, or going on some youth ministry excursion to go buy something for youth group. And I still keep that habit. And I keep that habit to remind myself that this time is valuable, that I have to be a good steward of not only the money, not only my time, but also the souls of these kids. And as a senior minister, the souls of the congregation. 54:34 - MX Admin To steward that well, to remind myself. 54:36 - Michael Santiago So yeah, I would like to think that I've become rather fully formed as well. Obviously, there's a lot of growth to still happen, but I haven't become fully formed overnight. And I'm not going to just be perfect tomorrow. I don't think I'll ever be perfect. But it's through these really concerted habits that I've been trying to form, that I've been able to grow in these ways. I have plenty of weaknesses, like ask any question, I will be so quick to show you my weakness. I think I've been very honest, maybe a little too honest in this whole thing. 55:10 - Michael Santiago But yeah, to be honest, also, as far as like, maintaining order in my office, if I can't keep my office clean, then something's gone really bad in my life. 55:24 - Stephen Walker Like if my, if my office is disorganized and if there's papers everywhere, I just cannot function. 55:29 - Michael Santiago So, so that's another habit that I've kind of created for myself so that I'll be able to, to function well is that I don't let my office get messy, which I know I say that because I know, and I'm 55:39 - Multiple Speakers sure you guys know that's such a stereotype of youth ministers that they have a mess. Now, to be honest, my truck, my car has a lot of stuff in the backseat, but it's like extension cords. 55:49 - Michael Santiago It's like ball pumps. It's like stuff. But I'd like to think that I try my hardest to be a fully formed minister, to be somebody that's that's wise and is a good steward of what I've been given. 56:02 - MX Admin And I appreciate what really comes through in your answers and in your personality in addition to your passion and your self-awareness is the intentionality to grow, to continue to grow and grow in God and grow in his grace and 56:20 - Michael Santiago for him to grow so that you can be a more effective instrument. 56:25 - Unidentified Speaker And that really comes through, and that's really to be applauded. Yeah. 56:30 - Michael Santiago I have one more question. 56:32 - Steve Awtrey We've talked about you, but as we know, it's a team in some ways with your wife. And just to let you know, and Jeff could probably confirm this, that with our church, we both have been in ministry at our church. And they didn't have a lot of expectations of our wives other than being our wives and using our gifts like anybody else. 56:56 - Michael Santiago How does your wife feel about making a move like this? Yeah, so one of my mentors, he actually did mine and my wife's wedding. He was my old youth minister that inspired me to do youth ministry. He told me something really interesting. He said that God will never call you, me and my wife, to a place where you both don't feel peace about. And for her to leave North Arkansas, I didn't tell you guys this, my wife's name is Whitney, and Whitney, her family is all from within a two hour radius of the same spot in North Arkansas. 57:29 - Steve Awtrey And for her to live all the way nine and a half hours away in Abilene, Texas was huge. 57:34 - Michael Santiago And she felt peace about it. What my mentor said to me, what my old youth minister said to me was really true, that we both did feel peace about it. And I say that to say this, that my wife has felt nothing but peace in this whole process as well. And she recognizes that it is mostly on me, like it's my job, I'm applying for it. It's not for me, I'm applying for it. It's all of that stuff. And so therefore, I'm a little more stressed about all this. But the idea of moving and this change of occupation for me, It feels like nothing but peace to her. 58:10 - Michael Santiago She always jokes and says that she always wanted to be a youth minister's wife, but she never signed up to be a preacher's wife, which I think is really funny. But I think it's just a joke. But yeah, I appreciate you asking about her. She feels good about this. And to full transparency, I think I've relayed this to you, Steve. That's part of what moved in my heart to move to that region of the United States again. We just recently had our baby girl. She's about to turn one. Her name's Mia. 58:39 - Michael Santiago She's turning one on the third. And I was driving back all the way to Abilene from Harrison, Arkansas. Yeah, believe it or not, I married somebody from the city that caused me so much trauma. 58:51 - MX Admin I think that's God. I think that's just God. 58:54 - Michael Santiago But I was driving the nine and a half hours back and I finally felt peace about moving a little closer to family as well. And that was something that was really jarring for me because I was thinking this whole time that God was on my side, that I would soon feel peace about moving further from family. And then and then I all of a sudden felt the sense of peace about about moving closer, moving closer. Yeah. And that's part of the reason why St. Louis popped up on my map. It was it was out of the Bible Belt. 59:23 - Michael Santiago It was close. And and I had connections there through through people at Lafayette. 59:28 - Unidentified Speaker Gotcha. 59:29 - Stephen Walker And so, yeah, I don't know. 59:32 - Michael Santiago I felt like that was necessary to say as well. We we feel at peace about the the possibility of this job, obviously. Yeah. 59:42 - Stephen Walker It's a couple minutes to two, but we don't want, I know you got a two o'clock and we can go on because I still have some other things I would love to talk to you about, but I'm going to honor our time commitment and just want to, you know, thank you for taking time. 59:57 - Multiple Speakers Steve Walker, would you lead us in a prayer? 1:00:01 - Stephen Walker Yes, yes. We thank you for, first of all, we thank you for being God and thank you for opening up the doors of heaven and sending your son here on earth too, so that we can have that personal relationship. Just like MX will talk about being relational. What an honor to have a relational God that wants to be relational with His creation. So we thank you for that, Lord. And Father, we're so excited to get to know Michael and to hear his story and just to see how you have prepared him for the great works in the kingdom. 1:00:33 - Stephen Walker And Father, we don't know where this journey will end with us, but we want to be open and that you may guide us in our steps and our decision-making process and make us all confident in what that next step may be. Father, we ask you to continue to work with Michael in terms of how he search out this next opportunity, and you land him in the right spot. If the right spot is with McKnight-Rossi, we pray that the doors may open, receptivity may be opened, that we can receive him. For all this in your name, amen. 1:01:00 - Unidentified Speaker Amen. 1:01:01 - MX Admin Thank you. And Michael, we didn't really leave a lot of room or time today for questions from you, obviously, but we'll pick up on that. 1:01:11 - Unidentified Speaker And thank you so much. 1:01:13 - Multiple Speakers Well, thank you so much for your time. 1:01:16 - Steve Awtrey So Michael, we'll do this again. We'll start with you asking questions. 1:01:19 - Stephen Walker Sounds good. 1:01:20 - Michael Santiago Sounds good. Yeah. 1:01:23 - Steve Awtrey So, and Steve and Jeff, you guys want to stay on? Yeah, I do. 1:01:28 - Multiple Speakers My two o'clock just canceled on me. So I got, I got time. You got time. Okay. All right. Well, thank you gentlemen. Yes. Thank you. God bless you. Yep. Yep. 1:01:39 - Stephen Walker Can we shut off the recording or not? Jeff, can we do that? Or we have to keep that on? 1:01:46 - Steve Awtrey Yeah, you can just turn it off. 1:01:51 - Stephen Walker Are you recording? I'm trying to figure out how to do that. 1:01:54 - MX Admin OK. 1:02:05 - Steve Awtrey Recording. We should have asked Michael before he got off. 1:02:09 - Stephen Walker Well, that still sounds recording. Can we can we reconvene on another? Yeah. 1:02:18 - Steve Awtrey Link, let's do that because. 1:02:21 - Stephen Walker Because there's a lot of people that's going to watch this, so we just want to make sure. 1:02:24 - Unidentified Speaker Yeah. 1:02:25 - Multiple Speakers It may not have been recording the whole time. I think it looks like it's recording on the top left side. Now it is saying it. Now it's saying it. 1:02:34 - MX Admin I don't know if it was saying it before. I thought when it first came on, it said it was. 1:02:39 - Steve Awtrey Yeah, when I came on, it said it was recording. Yeah. 1:02:42 - Multiple Speakers I think it was recording the entire time. 1:02:45 - Unidentified Speaker OK. 1:02:50 - MX Admin Okay, that says recording paused, but now, but anyway, we'll find it, I guess. I don't know. I shouldn't have been driving, but I was. 1:03:03 - Steve Awtrey Yes. So do we want to get off and get back on again to make sure it's not being recorded? 1:03:09 - Stephen Walker Let's do that. Sure. 1:03:12 - Steve Awtrey So then I guess you just send us another invite. 1:03:19 - MX Admin It's the same link and everything. 1:03:21 - Multiple Speakers I'll just end and come right back on it.