Bret Blackford: Hey? Real quick, does anybody? So some was somebody texting with Brad earlier.
david weiler: I texted him to make sure he was aware of the meeting, and saw Steve's email with the link.
Bret Blackford: I can. You have him just call your phone and put your phone on Speaker, and maybe he can at least get the audio that way.
Jeff McGlawn: Yeah. And I, I sent them an email as well just now about it.
Jeff McGlawn: because I know, like, like, when he was on a minute ago we could hear him. He couldn't hear us, and if now he can't talk to us through the iphone he could have both of them up and
Jeff McGlawn: hear us through one, and talk to to us through the other.
Bret Blackford: Yeah. And I would think at a minimum. If he
Bret Blackford: called one of us, we could put our phones on Speaker, and he could at least hear and talk that way. But
Bret Blackford: yeah, I'm not sure what's going on on his side.
david weiler: And I don't know.
david weiler: Yeah. Hi, Brad, are you able to hear us on the zoom?
david weiler: I can hear you guys talking, but I can't communicate. Okay, so go ahead and listen to us through the zoom like you can, and if you want to chime in, do it through my ear here.
Jeff McGlawn: Hey, Dave, if you want to, you can have him log back into his computer time to log into his computer and use that for talking and using his iphone for listening.
david weiler: Okay, you could log into your computer for talking and your iphone for listening. Since you're getting listening through your iphone.
david weiler: And as long as they both aren't trying to listen and have microphones on, they won't feedback against each other
david weiler: when I hit the launch meeting button. It's not doing anything now. Okay, his, his computer is not letting him launch in when he hits the launch meeting button. It doesn't do anything. So all right.
david weiler: So I think I got you on Speaker here, so go ahead and say, Hi! To the guys.
david weiler: good afternoon, gentlemen.
Stephen Walker: Hey! Brad, Brad.
david weiler: Alright. So we're functional here. You can hear us. We can hear you.
Stephen Walker: I'll start us off with a prayer. Heavenly Father, we thank you for being God being a God who is accessible to us, a God that
Stephen Walker: has desired relationship with us. And so much so, father, you sent your son here to earth, and He paid ultimate sacrifice on behalf of us, father, just so that we can have a place to lay our sins down. And, father, we're eternally grateful for that. We just also are so thankful that as we go through this process, the Holy Spirit is guiding us, and, father, we were thankful, answered prayers
Stephen Walker: in terms of the 2 candidates that were before us, and we think that the Spirit has spoken, and, Father, just ask for guidance as we move forward we pray this in Jesus, name Amen.
david weiler: Alright. I had an idea about how we can just kind of process a little bit on this to analyze where we're at and so, if you don't mind, let me just leap into that. I've got like 3 questions.
david weiler: For us all to just weigh in on number one. When you 1st saw this information with the large request counter offer, did you feel anxious like, Okay, how can we make this work, or did you feel a sense of relief like, okay, this is probably not gonna happen.
david weiler: Where did you land on those 2 things? And I felt anxious like cause I was on board I was promoting for John, and my feeling was anxious as opposed to relief. But I think that's a good analysis of where's our gut, so yeah, chime in.
Steve Awtrey: I. The word relief is what
Steve Awtrey: what I I felt exactly, and I verbalized that to Susan I just I felt some relief with it.
Stephen Walker: I actually felt relieved prior to John's response, because I was a little anxious when we started engaging with them.
Stephen Walker: But then I just continue to pray, and and eventually just turn it over to God, and just laid it at God's feet. And so my anxieties left after that.
Stephen Walker: And so when John responded, I didn't feel any more anxiety or any relief. I just felt it was an answer. Prayer.
Steve Awtrey: Yeah, yeah.
Don Fitzgerald: Answer, but answered prayer.
Don Fitzgerald: How that it something that can't go forward, you think, or.
Don Fitzgerald: Or if we don't want to answer that yet, I mean, that's fine. I just
Don Fitzgerald: I guess I it was relief for me, I think, you know, because I think
Don Fitzgerald: the way we approached it. I felt pretty good about it. And then
Don Fitzgerald: You know, as somebody characterized me in the 1st round that I was a soft yes, I'm getting.
Don Fitzgerald: anyway. It was relief.
david weiler: I think you felt like it made things obvious. Am I right?
Jeff McGlawn: Yeah, I think that I would say that I don't think that I felt anxious or relieved. Necessarily it was more of almost a bother
Jeff McGlawn: to a point that it it got
Jeff McGlawn: to the point where there's 1 thing of asking for something, and then there's something of asking way, so much more. And so it it was. It was, too. So it may be that that relief then was, I know the answer, at least in my heart, of what what I would say. And so that's why I said it really quick, really after, because it was like, there's no question that to ask so much
Jeff McGlawn: after you've already been given so much because we had already jumped it. $40,000 more already, and to ask another 40, is there 20,000 is
Jeff McGlawn: just too much more than for me.
Steve Awtrey: Yep.
david weiler: Brett.
Bret Blackford: Yeah, I guess my thought is, I probably relieve
Bret Blackford: you know, when? When Jason said No, I mean there was some disappointment.
Bret Blackford: and I think the second time, you know, we we went back and forth, I with with John. I I did not feel that disappointment, and and I'm I mean there is, it's more
Bret Blackford: the process. I don't want to start the process again, and I don't feel disappointed with losing the candidate, but it's just starting again. So there was a different feeling for me between Jason and John, and so I guess relief kind of sums it up for me.
david weiler: Alright. And, Brad, that leaves you
david weiler: made me think of the passage, and I think it's Corinthians where Paul says, you know, there are those who preach and are paid. But then there are men who preach to be paid, and it made me think that
david weiler: that was a Rubicon.
david weiler: it's it said to me that money is more important to him than in 4 weeks of vacation. Everything else, and it doesn't work. So
david weiler: I have a new paradigm to suggest if when you but
david weiler: so, I'll just answer that question and be quiet.
david weiler: Okay, so I think that's pretty telling.
david weiler: you know, in terms of, you know, was John is John the guy, and we're scrambling to make it work or not, you know. Feels like not. I also wanted to ask. I thought it was valid, and I caught myself here. If Jason had come back with this offer.
david weiler: would we have worked to make it work.
david weiler: whereas I think it's fair to say with John, we're okay saying, Okay, we're done here.
david weiler: Would we have felt the same for Jason, because our approach the reason I asked this because our approach has been, if we find the guy, we will figure it out.
david weiler: And so is this telling us John's not the guy. Would we have
david weiler: embrace this offer for Jason, this counter.
Don Fitzgerald: I thought probably would try.
Don Fitzgerald: I think it's a hard question to answer, Dave. I don't know. I think
Don Fitzgerald: I'll tell you what disturbed me the most, was in the whole discussion. In his letter. There was nothing about
Don Fitzgerald: the mission here, or excited about being here and being a part of this, you know, and
Don Fitzgerald: and kind of to Brad's point, I felt it was more like a letter I'd received when I was working, you know, from a candidate. You know that.
Don Fitzgerald: I I don't know. I I just kind of felt like it was a
Don Fitzgerald: more than any candidate we've had so far. It was more about the job, you know about the
Don Fitzgerald: terms of the job, the real job, you know. So
Don Fitzgerald: so I don't know. I mean, it's hard to answer what we would have done for Jason. I I like like others, have said I really like Jason, and really help. That would work out.
Stephen Walker: For me, I think it's the process. How we would have gotten there with Jason, you know.
Stephen Walker: you know. So if things would unfold in the natural way, in a way that we can really wrap our minds around each step of the process, and the progression seems a natural progression. I think that's
Stephen Walker: I think I could have gotten there with Jason potentially.
Stephen Walker: But if we would have gotten there the same way we got there with John, I think I would have had a different
Stephen Walker: kind of feeling about Jason, so I think it would depend on how the process unfolded, how we got to the numbers.
Steve Awtrey: Yeah, I I can't in my mind envision
Steve Awtrey: going that way with Jason just from kind of
Steve Awtrey: him exposing part of his heart.
Steve Awtrey: I'm not sure if if it would have I I can't see it having gone that far. If it would have, I would have been like.
Steve Awtrey: Wow! This is a lot of money for somebody that's
Steve Awtrey: of that age in in ministry, and I would have. And and then I'm also thinking it's a it's a different world down south.
Steve Awtrey: So yeah, so that's
Steve Awtrey: I. I just I can't see it have gone that way with Jason. But but I do think that we. We worked harder with Jason to try to make it work than we. But we we did have work. We were worked hard with John, too.
Steve Awtrey: Yeah, but
Steve Awtrey: I was more excited with trying to make it work with Jason than I was with John.
david weiler: Yeah.
Jeff McGlawn: Yeah, it's interesting. The one thing that I did after I did go back and look at the cyber stuff.
Jeff McGlawn: And it's sort of interesting that for the 2024 numbers for a lead minister, it is right around the the amount he's asking for for the Max.
Jeff McGlawn: And so or it's a 75. It's over the 75 percentile mark.
Jeff McGlawn: And so and this is somebody that doesn't have a lot of experience in any one location. It's somebody that is fairly fresh.
Jeff McGlawn: And so 7 years, I mean, it's because they're they're looking at things. And 26 is the the average out of the people that did these numbers. And so it just. It was very interesting insight to look into
Jeff McGlawn: and saying, he's almost trying to get the Max of what any preacher is getting, at least out of reporting to cyber.
david weiler: Yeah.
Jeff McGlawn: And it may be that he preaches well and does well, and that's why they're paying him that. There's something similar in Texas. But
Jeff McGlawn: we're in St. Louis and the Midwest, which all those numbers were were lower to begin with, and then.
Steve Awtrey: You know.
Steve Awtrey: One thing I'm I'm just remembering this, Jerry Jones said to me briefly, one time
Steve Awtrey: he just made the, he said, well, and he was talking about John because he was our initial contact with John.
Steve Awtrey: He said, well, yeah, there's a church in Little Rock that's really pursuing. John also
Steve Awtrey: really didn't think much about that, because I didn't really care. And so I wonder if this church's
Steve Awtrey: giving out those kinds of numbers for them? I don't know.
david weiler: Yeah.
david weiler: Well, let's see, Brad, anything to add here at this stage.
david weiler: No, it's time to quit, you know, gnashing our teeth and wondering what? And you know, I think it's time to move on.
david weiler: Okay, alright,
david weiler: So just let me give you guys a little context because this helped me a little bit. But if Jeff was still with us and we were working on the budget for 2025, his entire package.
david weiler: you know, benefits and everything would have added up to 1, 35,
david weiler: and John is asking for 1, 27,
david weiler: really close to that. And so that that was kind of telling for me. It's like man. Can we stretch that far for this? You know. Level of experience like Jeff was. But I also have a way if we wanted to. I've got a financial way. We can make this work within our existing budget. So I don't even need to go there if our decisions decided. But
david weiler: I do, I do need to say I do think Steve's sensitivity to what it's gonna take to get John here and him wanting more vacation and everything. I think that bared out here, Steve. And you know, because you were trying to figure that out. And you know. What's it gonna take from where he's at and everything. And I do think you're you had your pulse on that. We didn't expect this number to come back. But you know.
david weiler: Knew that it wasn't gonna carry the day. And that was okay with me, but this is just so far from that
david weiler: it is
david weiler: just to validate your gut on how where you were taking things. 4th weeks of vacation. That wasn't a deal breaker, and so, you know, that would have been fine. So
david weiler: all right. Well,
david weiler: I don't mean to chair everything I just wanted. I just thought that was a good process to ask ourselves where we're really at. As we made our decision, so what I hear is that we're not. It's we don't even want to counter with John. We don't want to go back and forth. We're ready to let go of that and all that. That means. That's where I think we are as a group decision. You guys agree with that.
Steve Awtrey: I do?
david weiler: Hey?
david weiler: Yeah.
Bret Blackford: Agree.
david weiler: All right. So then, communicating tomorrow I was down for the Shepherd's Prayer. You guys might have seen Steve Walker is gonna do that for me. So thank you. Steve, for that. And do we do we elaborate? You know I
david weiler: I figured when it was time to make the decision we would talk about. Hey? We made an offer to Jason. He's not gonna move his family something like we made an offer to John. We couldn't come to terms with what he has in Texas, translating into Missouri, or some kind of language like that. What do you guys feel like is appropriate
david weiler: to share tomorrow, and how.
Steve Awtrey: I think we go back because we haven't communicated a whole lot and say, we've here we are. We start. You know, we had about 20 people that we have interviewed. Let them know the kind of the process, and
Steve Awtrey: came to these 2 and then say, you know, give them briefly what happened with Jason and and what happened with John, and that we're we feel like God's leading us, and
Steve Awtrey: we're
Steve Awtrey: We're not feeling desperate. We're feel like
Steve Awtrey: God's got this, and let's move forward and keep praying.
Steve Awtrey: And and I'll also feel like maybe having it
Steve Awtrey: after the services. Tell people we're gonna have a Congregational meeting meeting briefly, so that if there needs to be some back and forth them asking questions, we can do that just to be real transparent with them.
Jeff McGlawn: Yeah, I would agree with that, Steve, because one of the things is, is we still have children's programs going on. So what I can do is we could. I can make sure that all of our children's programs come in so that we don't have to repeat this twice, and so that everybody that's actually there on a Sunday gets to hear it.
Jeff McGlawn: So i'll just
Jeff McGlawn: i'll make sure that our group that are upstairs practicing for for the nursing home. We'll all come down. We'll get everybody from the nursery and make sure that they all come in all safety, and in that way everybody could hear it.
Steve Awtrey: Okay.
david weiler: Yeah, keeping it off. The streaming would be important.
Jeff McGlawn: Yes, and turn that off, too. Yeah.
Steve Awtrey: I think so. Yeah.
Bret Blackford: And so we'll have to communicate with John tonight, I guess. Then right, I guess Steve Walker.
Stephen Walker: Yeah, I'll I'll communicate with John tonight.
Steve Awtrey: And I would say, who would like to do that? And I'm wondering.
Steve Awtrey: it may be, since Steve and I have done a lot of the zooming, and that process. At 1st
Steve Awtrey: we could do that, although I'd be very willing for someone else to do it.
Stephen Walker: Yeah, yeah, that. Yeah. I'm willing to. I mean, we'll go either way. If if Steve, if you and I, we can do it. But if someone else wants to weigh in because you all have insight into the process, so feel free to weigh in.
Stephen Walker: doesn't have to be me. So feel free.
Bret Blackford: I think you guys would do a great job, and I think the emphasis should be kind of what Steve Autry keeps bringing us back to this is God's process, and we're looking for the right person, the right fit.
Bret Blackford: You know, we're not gonna rush into this. And so I think you know, that's the main point. And I think you guys would do great to to bring that message.
Steve Awtrey: And then, if there were any
Steve Awtrey: questions asked that we didn't, you felt like we needed to answer it differently, that you guys can just interrupt and
Steve Awtrey: and answer it, too.
Steve Awtrey: And and I think it's it's easier knowing that we're just being transparent with them. I
Steve Awtrey: I think if somebody asked about figures, how much money? I don't think we need to answer that.
Stephen Walker: Alright!
Bret Blackford: Correct.
Bret Blackford: And and while we're talking about that, I I think it's good just to look at. We've got 3 data points. And I just kind of want to summarize kind of where we've been. So Ethan.
Bret Blackford: last year we offered him
Bret Blackford: $67,000 salary, a total package of 87,810.
Bret Blackford: Now he did not accept the offer, but it was not because of salary, you know, it was because of other issues, so he didn't bark at that, you know a new guy out of school. So that's 1 data point. The other one was Jason Mundy. He countered to 80.
Bret Blackford: It seemed like the second
Bret Blackford: financial package he was acceptable with. It, wasn't. It wasn't finances that the 80,000 were good for him, and that the second package was good for him. So it wasn't
Bret Blackford: a salary issue based on his experience at 80,000.
Bret Blackford: It was other issues. Now with John. Again, we? We went with 80. He wanted 102, and it was a salary issue. So you know, again, I think we're in the ballpark with what we're looking for. I think we need to be flexible there. But again we got we've only got 3 data points. But
Bret Blackford: you know, there, there's it was the other issues, I think, that struck us out with those
Bret Blackford: for most of those guys, except for John. So just a.
Jeff McGlawn: So, Brett, did we not start with 65 on.
Bret Blackford: What was that?
Jeff McGlawn: Didn't we start with 65 on John the same way, or did we start just automatically with 80.
david weiler: We started with 80 John, aware of our movement to that point, realizing with Jason's feedback, and where Steve learned John was, we thought we needed to start there at the at the 80.
Jeff McGlawn: Okay.
Don Fitzgerald: Would it be a.
Steve Awtrey: Appropriate to say that kind of our baseline was
Steve Awtrey: student, the student, our teachers in the Webster Kirkwood area. That was kind of a a baseline we use with education and experience. Would that be appropriate this just to say that.
Bret Blackford: I don't even know if we need to bring that up. I think the thing is, we've looked at a couple of people, and we're just trying to find the right fit now, Jason.
Bret Blackford: you know, didn't work because of, you know, too far away from family and John, we just couldn't come together on the on numbers, but so.
Don Fitzgerald: I also think it would be good. Somebody mentioned it, and the next steps in the process that
Don Fitzgerald: somewhere along the line we asked these guys ahead of time what their current package is, and.
david weiler: Yeah.
Don Fitzgerald: So we get a little a front of that, you know. So.
Jeff McGlawn: And the other thing is, I I think we need to probably put out there to begin with, our salary range.
Jeff McGlawn: So if our salary range is 65 to 80, or 65 to 90, let's say.
Jeff McGlawn: then we put it out there. We we just make it really clear for them to know ahead of time, too, because that way we're not dragging them down the road, them thinking that they're going to get something similar to what they have in their package.
david weiler: Yeah, I do think, and again, not spend a lot of time on this, but with our health insurance renewal coming up. And it was a huge increase. And so we're going out to market. I do think we might take a fresh look again, like Steve Walker. Thought in some brainstorming. Hey? Is there a different way to handle our health insurance
david weiler: that benefits our staff better than having this group model for what's right now? 3 re 3 users of it.
david weiler: You know, and there there are. There are different ways to do that with reimbursement arrangements. There's right and wrong ways to do that. But it's it, you know, we treat me and misters as self-employed and
david weiler: admin staff has not. And so there's we've really got 2 groups of employees, even though there's only 2 in one group and one in the other. It's it's gets messy fast. So, anyway, just to plant the seed that we'll probably be brainstorming about those items in the next couple of months. So.
david weiler: Brad, I cut you off a couple of times. What you ready to chime in on the meeting tomorrow. Communication and the the meeting.
david weiler: Are you saying, Brad or Brett Brad? You grant?
david weiler: I think probably saying less is better than more. You know, I think we just want to call people together to say, Here's where we're at. It should take 10 min, and then I would dismiss. And then, if people want to stand around and talk whatever great, but you know I wouldn't try to make that a hour meeting or something where.
Steve Awtrey: Yes, right?
david weiler: I answered every question.
david weiler: Good thought, thank you.
Steve Awtrey: Yeah.
Jeff McGlawn: Yeah. And I would say, probably leading like ending it with with it being positive. So I know that after the Ethan thing the the girlfriend breakup was a is a negative sounding kind of thing.
Jeff McGlawn: so I would make it as positive of a of a turn as possible, because
Jeff McGlawn: God is leading us somewhere. And yeah, you don't know where it's at, but God is leading us somewhere. And it was very, very clear with this. So Jason's was a bit rough, so
Jeff McGlawn: Ethan's was rough.
Jeff McGlawn: Jason's was not quite as rough, but it was not really the answer we wanted.
Jeff McGlawn: but with Jay, with John it's been very clear. So I mean it was a bit. It was so much different that we just have to let God be that guide for us and the the song that we're singing next week. Just so you guys have an idea is Waymaker. So the whole kids group is going to be on stage singing the waymaker, because that's really what we should be thinking about for 2025 that God is making a way for us.
Jeff McGlawn: and maybe even you could even say that at the end. And this is that powerful picture of where God is leading. We don't know where it's at, just like Abraham, but God is leading somewhere, and we're we're following.
david weiler: And Jeff, I'd like to piggyback on that thought, because I really today prayed. And
david weiler: what struck me was, I think we need a new paradigm. I really do.
david weiler: And
david weiler: what if we said we're going to continue the search? But we're going to ask people to become more involved with
david weiler: the Mcknight Crossings Church of Christ in ways that again push the envelope in terms of
david weiler: you. Don't just show up on Sunday morning, and think that that's sufficient
david weiler: that there's more to the kingdom, and we're looking for people who want to work and help and assist
david weiler: and put it back on the church as a whole saying.
david weiler: you know, we could solve our
david weiler: financial problems. Real simple, you know.
david weiler: very easily. I mean, think about it. I mean, how hard is it to get somebody into the pulpit? I mean, we've got a lot of talented people who can manage that factor. And you know, if we do that for 6 months. I mean, it's probably gonna take that long before we, you know, would even get to the next level of something. But
david weiler: get people to sign up and say, Yeah, I want to do more and and try to help. And
david weiler: I mean, I know that's not well planned or thought out. But just what if God says
david weiler: there's a new paradigm? We're not going to put everything on a preacher and make him the person that we, you know, look to do everything. But we're looking for the body of Christ itself to be restructured in a way that does more than what we're doing now.
Steve Awtrey: I I agree with that, and I've kind of thought the same type of thing. But I've used the term that I saw in something else. I think it was. An education is kind of reimagine church.
Steve Awtrey: Just reimagine? What what church.
Stephen Walker: Can look like. And it even starts with leadership.
Steve Awtrey: And that's all. Challenging.
david weiler: I mean the the congregation has a role in this. My concern is.
Bret Blackford: I think the
Bret Blackford: Sunday sermon. I think we need to have consistency at the pulpit to the extent we can, and I think we need to make the the
Bret Blackford: present as best we can with the sermon and
Bret Blackford: you know, I think there's a handful of people that might be able to do that, and and I just wouldn't want to open that up. I'd wanna again, I think
Bret Blackford: so if you look at the if the math. We were willing to pay somebody $80,000. That's over.
Bret Blackford: you know, $1,400 a week. So what what can we do for, you know? 1,000 plus dollars a week, you know. I don't say that we have to hire somebody, but you know, if we want to hire Jerry Jones to come in.
Bret Blackford: Preach a Sunday a month
Bret Blackford: for the duration. So there's consistency there. Maybe. Get Eric Mcpherson also preaching, maybe get Jeff Cryer preaching. So you get 3 people consistently every month, and then you can fill it in the next week or 2 with with somebody. But I just don't think you can just
Bret Blackford: open it up and just have people get up there and and hope for the best. And I just don't think that's gonna work. Well.
Steve Awtrey: Well, that's that's something we can talk about Monday night. I think we need to discuss all of that.
Bret Blackford: Right.
david weiler: Kind of.
Steve Awtrey: And now that I now that I know where where we are starting well, for next year, Jerry Jones has
Steve Awtrey: email me a couple of times, saying, Well, let me know if you need me to preach in January, and we've got through the 19.th So I thought about calling him see if he can do it. The end of January, maybe the 1st of February. And then I was gonna ask Jim Martin. I think I talked about this?
Steve Awtrey: Who's doing the elder conference? See if he can preach on that 9th
Steve Awtrey: And then I got then got to figure the rest of that stuff out, and we can discuss that at our next meeting.
david weiler: Brad, you were trying to say something, were you?
david weiler: Yeah, I really think. Don't think bringing Jerry Jones in at $300, you know. I think that's a mistake. I just want to go on record for that. I think that you know, when we have people who are members of the body here.
david weiler: Okay, yeah. That to me is more important than bringing in outside people.
david weiler: Because.
david weiler: you know, it's it's part of the hospitality whole idea that you know, we're a body of Christ. That is a community that works together.
david weiler: and I don't think we necessarily have to pay people to preach. It's just, you know.
david weiler: 1st of all, all elders are supposed to be apt to teach that that's what the Bible says. And so, if anything, we should be in the pulpit more than anybody else, and I think that you know we need to have a real discussion on this stuff.
david weiler: hey?
david weiler: I also want to be transparent. Say, my son's coming in on
david weiler: Monday afternoon to visit with us, and I was thinking of not making the next meeting. And now I'm thinking I'm really bad. Here I am saying, let's do these things and and not show up so
david weiler: it already, but just just pouring my heart out with you, that's all.
Stephen Walker: Well, I'll very expressed to Brett that I won't be there Monday. But since you guys will be talking about ministers or upcoming ministers. There's 1 person that I do want to put out there for us to think about, and that's Philip Metheny.
Stephen Walker: Just having a conversation with him just to see where he's at in his in his journey. See if he might be open to doing something on a regular basis. With us, and even maintaining some influence with his with his missions work, I mean. So if I think maybe that's the person I think
Stephen Walker: Worth is worth having a conversation with ones. Put my 2 cents 2 cents in for Monday.
Jeff McGlawn: To Steve.
Steve Awtrey: I will not.
Jeff McGlawn: Where.
Steve Awtrey: I'll wait.
Jeff McGlawn: He's going to be at church tomorrow, so.
Steve Awtrey: 2.
Jeff McGlawn: Philip, so.
Steve Awtrey: Okay.
Jeff McGlawn: If you can corner him tomorrow, you may be able to
Jeff McGlawn: ping him on that in person.
Steve Awtrey: Yeah.
Steve Awtrey: I will not text our email, Jerry. I'll wait till after our meeting Monday night or for anybody. I'll just wait until see what happens with our meeting as far as
Steve Awtrey: what we do, and I'm sure everybody has opinions, but we can talk about it Monday night.
david weiler: All right.
david weiler: Well, appreciate, you guys. Thanks for all the chiming in. Thank you, Steve, for communicating with John tonight and doing the separate prayer. You'll mention that we'll have a brief Congregational meeting update right after service. I do think there's a teen Christmas party right after church. So, keeping that meeting brief helps with that.
david weiler: And then, Jeff, is it? Is that an all ages thing to the nursing home? Carolyn.
Jeff McGlawn: So it's sort of a both. And so so there's the
Jeff McGlawn: whole youth ministry. The next Gen. Is all having this Christmas party right after church, and then the plan is for the next. Whoever's available from there to go to the caroling.
Jeff McGlawn: There is possible a possibility for other people to join.
Jeff McGlawn: But Jan Patrick called me during the week and told me we don't have that much space, so we we have to be careful how many we bring. We know we have about 20 people, ish, 2030 that are doing the Christmas party. The assumption is not. All of them will go to the nursing home. But but 40 is the Max, so is what Jan had told me. So. So we're getting really close to that number. Just depending on? How many people actually show up.
david weiler: Mostly the team group, but.
Jeff McGlawn: Yeah. Well, yeah, mostly the the yeah. So there's some. All my group like the children's group as well as the teens.
david weiler: Oh, I see!
Jeff McGlawn: Join? Yeah, so.
david weiler: Alright. Just wanted to be aware.
david weiler: Steve Hobson, inviting his pickleball group to come to Jan's recital up there. So.
Jeff McGlawn: That's gonna be funny.
Jeff McGlawn: So.
david weiler: I'm serious.
Jeff McGlawn: No, no, it's gonna be funny, because Jan called me intentionally and and told me so. We had actually announced it on Sunday that, hey, everybody's welcome to come and sing with us. And then Jan called me after hearing me and Don both saying that. And she's like, Yeah, I'm not sure that's gonna work. But.
Steve Awtrey: You too.
Jeff McGlawn: So there may be a lot of people standing in the background, so.
david weiler: So, whatever you do, it'll you know, if if you if you think you're bringing too many, it won't be enough, and vice versa.
Jeff McGlawn: I I think it'll be good, no matter what, and it'll encourage the people there, and that's what the goal is. So.
Steve Awtrey: Yeah, it's a good problem if you have too many.
Steve Awtrey: So let me ask this. So Brad might not be there. Steve may not be there. Dave's got some physical issues, and Don has some physical issues.
Steve Awtrey: Should we meet Monday night.
david weiler: I should be able to.
Steve Awtrey: Okay.
Don Fitzgerald: And I'm hoping I should be able to by then. But.
Steve Awtrey: Okay.
Jeff McGlawn: So would it be easier to do it by zoom Steve and Brad.
Stephen Walker: Potentially participate.
david weiler: Oh!
Stephen Walker: Do.
Stephen Walker: But if you guys think in person be better, I'll just
Stephen Walker: Brett to take great notes, so that I should be able to catch up from his notes.
Don Fitzgerald: I mean, I I can do the zoom, too. Yeah.
Jeff McGlawn: Brad, would that be? Would you be able to do the zoom.
Bret Blackford: So Steve Walker's not there. It'll probably be teams meeting.
Bret Blackford: because Steve's the one that sends out the zoom.
Jeff McGlawn: And I have zoom access to the churches, I think. Brett, if you can add me to the the ministers mx ministers
Jeff McGlawn: I had. I had had access to it until a certain point.
Jeff McGlawn: and then I lost the access to it because I didn't have. I couldn't get the email that it sent me.
Jeff McGlawn: And so Mx ministers, it's currently Jeremiah, I think, like Jeremiah's email, Nathan's and Jeff Kreiders. So we just need to get it switched to get the 2 of them off and put me on there, and Steve probably on there, too.
Jeff McGlawn: and then I can set that back up, and we should be able to use zoom, and we can have it as long as we want it.
Stephen Walker: Okay.
Jeff McGlawn: Fred Stevens do? Are you gonna be able to do the zoom, if possible?
david weiler: I gotta pray on this one. It only get to see my son about twice a year, and he's only be here for 4 days, and I'm thinking
david weiler: that I really would like to spend the time with him and so if you guys don't mind.
Stephen Walker: And I suggest she spent time.
Stephen Walker: What's your son?
Steve Awtrey: You need to do that.
david weiler: That's absolutely fine, Brad. Thank you for and he's just back from Ukraine not long ago. So yeah, soak him up.
Steve Awtrey: Yeah.
david weiler: By the way, did anybody get Woolly's Christmas letter.
david weiler: Nope, if you didn't, I'll forward it to you if you he broke his foot in.
Stephen Walker: Yeah.
david weiler: In the yeah. But the good news is they're all doing fine, but got it today, and
david weiler: I'll shoot it to you if you want me to.
Steve Awtrey: That'd be great.
Stephen Walker: Okay.
david weiler: All right, let me close this with a prayer. And again, thank you guys for all you're gonna do tomorrow.
david weiler: father, we are thankful for the clarity takes us a while to get there. But we lean on you, and we ask you to just help bring us along to where you want to.
david weiler: That's that's what we want to tune into, and thank you for being long suffering with us and providing so well. And so we ask you to continue to do that. Use us as a mechanism. Do help us reimagine the paradigm at Mcknight, so that we are your people, and people know us by our love. We praise you in Jesus, name Amen.
Stephen Walker: Amen!
Steve Awtrey: Man.
Stephen Walker: Alright!
david weiler: All right.
Steve Awtrey: All right.
david weiler: Thank you. Guys.
Steve Awtrey: See you guys.